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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pen, if you go here: http://angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2268

you will find that the soy thing relates to a job interview Sungenis had years ago with some of the CA gurus and a joke was made about using soy sauce in a Japanese restaurant and that it was considered by Karl - that world class apologist and Love Boat tours connoisseur - grounds for dismissal from the gold-lined, palatial hallows of CA's imperial HQ.

Anyway, Sungenis never got the gig and KK made a big deal about it after it came up later in something Sungenis wrote about his interview.

( Y'know, Pen, you must REALLY be a good pal because it just dawned on me how many minutes were used up in providing this completely irrelevant info! Time I could have spent doing something really important - like reviewing highlights from the Bills / Dolphins game! What's that? Oh, there aren't any? Never mind.......)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petertherock wrote:
Talk about a bump from the past. I was banned from unCatholic answers years ago for I don't know what. I guess I was just too much of a rad trad for them and that was before I started going to the Latin Mass on a regular basis lol. A year or so ago I tried to get an answer as to why I was banned so I created a sock puppet account just to get in contact with a mod or admin to find out exactly what the ban was for. I was then threatened with a law suit if I create any more sock puppet accounts. I replied back something to the effect of that's how a real Catholic would handle things! Of course I have been threatened with law suits by better people then him and I wasn't intimidated with them and I certainly wasn't intimidated by UnCatholic Asnwers.


Hey me too. I was sympathetic with the trad. cause but was still a NO goer and after being thrown out of Catholic Answers Forum for no reason really soured me, now I go to TLM.

I read that Karel makes about 200 thousand dollars a year is this true? I don't have too much respect for a man doesn't respect pseudonyms but cries poor mouth every year while getting rich. Well rich to me. I would have to work 6 years to make the same as Karl Keating.

I am not surprised though. If you read a lot of stuff of Karl's it is all about revenge. Even starting Catholic Answers wasn't really to bring Catholics back to the Faith but in was revenge of a Fundy putting a tract on his car while he was at church.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As other have pointed out on other threads, KK has managed to serve the truth in spite of himself: I, like some others, were DRIVEN to investigate Tradition after hearing the SSPX so demeaned by the CA crew.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lousy phrasing! Should have been "I, like... WAS DRIVEN....."

Anyway, I'm not claiming KK is not "truthful", per se. He is and he has made some contributions to certain individuals seeking to learn mor about the Church.

My sole contention is that he is a major obstacle to folks who deserve to know the whole story about the very basis of the Traditional movement.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petertherock wrote:
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Petertherock wrote:
Talk about a bump from the past. I was banned from unCatholic answers years ago for I don't know what. I guess I was just too much of a rad trad for them and that was before I started going to the Latin Mass on a regular basis lol. A year or so ago I tried to get an answer as to why I was banned so I created a sock puppet account just to get in contact with a mod or admin to find out exactly what the ban was for. I was then threatened with a law suit if I create any more sock puppet accounts. I replied back something to the effect of that's how a real Catholic would handle things! Of course I have been threatened with law suits by better people then him and I wasn't intimidated with them and I certainly wasn't intimidated by UnCatholic Asnwers.


How can they sue someone if the site allows a registration that isn't re-approved ?


Perhaps that's why Mr. Keating is a "former" attorney?


lol

I was banned there last week. I had registered another account there in case I were to be banned one day, just so I could contact a couple of friends there and say goodbye. I did so, and sent a mod a heads up telling them to delete the other account.

I won't even lurk there in the future.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gpmtrad wrote:
As other have pointed out on other threads, KK has managed to serve the truth in spite of himself: I, like some others, were DRIVEN to investigate Tradition after hearing the SSPX so demeaned by the CA crew.


That's exactly how I got a heads up on the VII fiasco. I had stopped going to Mass as a teen, which was just after the introduction of the NO, and didn't return until after BXVI was Pope.

I started going to Mass again in late '06, and had no idea what the fuss was about until I happened to google "catholic forum" and found CA's Traditional Catholicism Forum. I thought " what in the world are these people arguing about " ?

It didn't take long for me to realize the trads are right. About everything.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are wise, adorer.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You are wise, adorer.


Oooops! One exception: There are Red Sox fans on this forum. Other than that, just about everything you see here is absolutely rational and kosher! Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gpmtrad wrote:
gpmtrad wrote:
You are wise, adorer.


Oooops! One exception: There are Red Sox fans on this forum. Other than that, just about everything you see here is absolutely rational and kosher! Smile


Now that MUST be aimed at me. Homer
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile

Sorry, Pete. I just got off the phone with probably the biggest Yankees fan in North America and we in the Bombers Brigade are just full of it right now!

Like I've been tellin' ya, we'll see.... we'll see!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gpmtrad wrote:
gpmtrad wrote:
You are wise, adorer.


Oooops! One exception: There are Red Sox fans on this forum. Other than that, just about everything you see here is absolutely rational and kosher! Smile


Don't worry 'bout them Sox. Beware the Tiger !

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adorer wrote:
gpmtrad wrote:
As other have pointed out on other threads, KK has managed to serve the truth in spite of himself: I, like some others, were DRIVEN to investigate Tradition after hearing the SSPX so demeaned by the CA crew.


That's exactly how I got a heads up on the VII fiasco. I had stopped going to Mass as a teen, which was just after the introduction of the NO, and didn't return until after BXVI was Pope.

I started going to Mass again in late '06, and had no idea what the fuss was about until I happened to google "catholic forum" and found CA's Traditional Catholicism Forum. I thought " what in the world are these people arguing about " ?

It didn't take long for me to realize the trads are right. About everything.


I Believe we may have known each other over at CAF. I was banned there multiple times; my last two user names wer Pax et Caritas and Yours_Truly. Wave
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like we have a lot of banned CA members here! I can't speak for all of you but I don't see anyone who really regrets being banned from the insanity over there Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pax Vobiscum wrote:


I Believe we may have known each other over at CAF. I was banned there multiple times; my last two user names were Pax et Caritas and Yours_Truly. Wave


I_Believe you are right. Thumbs Up

I probably made a mess of things at times trying to argue in favor of Tradition, but I tried. I knew I'd be banned after my last few posts, but no matter.

Anyhow, good seeing you here. I enjoyed your posts and learned a lot from them. btw, do you mind if I pm you ? I've got a question or two about the Chapel near Churchill Downs, but I don't think it would be prudent to discuss it on a forum.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It looks like we have a lot of banned CA members here! I can't speak for all of you but I don't see anyone who really regrets being banned from the insanity over there Homer


Well, I don't know why or how I lasted so long there. I'm a tad blunt at times lol. If I get out of line here, feel free to cyber slap me back to my senses Smile

Being banned there is like waking up after a bad dream.
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Adorer wrote:
Petertherock wrote:
It looks like we have a lot of banned CA members here! I can't speak for all of you but I don't see anyone who really regrets being banned from the insanity over there Homer


Well, I don't know why or how I lasted so long there. I'm a tad blunt at times lol. If I get out of line here, feel free to cyber slap me back to my senses Smile

Being banned there is like waking up after a bad dream.


They banned you?! Surprised Yours were some of the best posts over on CA. I don't understand why traddies are banned routinely, but folks who aren't even Catholic get to post all kinds of nonsense against the Faith.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't understand why traddies are banned routinely, but folks who aren't even Catholic get to post all kinds of nonsense against the Faith.


Well, duh, it's the New Springtime of the Faith! Everyone's going to heaven except for those (ugh!) trads.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, duh, it's the New Springtime of the Faith! Everyone's going to heaven except for those (ugh!) trads



Yeah, but why have an apostolate dedicated to defending the Catholic faith against other religions(and CA does do an admirable job in the apolegetics department) and then allow the Orthodox to post stuff against the Petrine office, the Prots to post their "sola scriptura" junk, etc. etc.?
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Well, duh, it's the New Springtime of the Faith! Everyone's going to heaven except for those (ugh!) trads



Yeah, but why have an apostolate dedicated to defending the Catholic faith against other religions(and CA does do an admirable job in the apolegetics department) and then allow the Orthodox to post stuff against the Petrine office, the Prots to post their "sola scriptura" junk, etc. etc.?


Doublethink?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chesterbelloc wrote:
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Petertherock wrote:
It looks like we have a lot of banned CA members here! I can't speak for all of you but I don't see anyone who really regrets being banned from the insanity over there Homer


Well, I don't know why or how I lasted so long there. I'm a tad blunt at times lol. If I get out of line here, feel free to cyber slap me back to my senses Smile

Being banned there is like waking up after a bad dream.


They banned you?! Surprised Yours were some of the best posts over on CA. I don't understand why traddies are banned routinely, but folks who aren't even Catholic get to post all kinds of nonsense against the Faith.


Thanks, I tried to reason with some, but I guess the liberal ones only know what they've always heard from the pulpit, so in that regard, I guess it's not their fault.

What really irked me is when one would try to maintain that the NO was just as good as the TLM, but then, sometimes anyway, would admit they have never been to a TLM when asked.

Oh well, the world still turns Wink
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I was banned there multiple times; my last two user names wer Pax et Caritas and Yours_Truly. Wave


So let me get this straight. You are bragging about circumventing the rules of a forum by creating multiple personalities.
There is a word for that: dishonest.
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So let me get this straight. You are bragging about circumventing the rules of a forum by creating multiple personalities.
There is a word for that: dishonest.


No, PV was informing me of who he was over there. I'd describe his postings there as truthful. And if one admits he/she had more than one account, that kind of falls under the "honest" category doesn't it ?

Though you may not hear it from the pulpit of your average NO parish, the mission of the Church is the salvation of souls. If you see the arguments presented over there by trads as something other than that, I don't know what to tell you.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So let me get this straight. You are bragging about circumventing the rules of a forum by creating multiple personalities.
There is a word for that: dishonest.


No, PV was informing me of who he was over there. I'd describe his postings there as truthful. And if one admits he/she had more than one account, that kind of falls under the "honest" category doesn't it ?

Okay, it works like this.
If you have been banned, but yet continue to start new accounts under a different username/IP address, that is being deceptive. When you register on to any forum there is an AGREEMENT you are to read before you submit the I AGREE button.
If you have no intention of AGREEING, but yet hit the I AGREE button, that is called LYING. To keep going back to a forum over and over again under different names is quite strange to be honest.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Okay, it works like this.
If you have been banned, but yet continue to start new accounts under a different username/IP address, that is being deceptive. When you register on to any forum there is an AGREEMENT you are to read before you submit the I AGREE button.
If you have no intention of AGREEING, but yet hit the I AGREE button, that is called LYING. To keep going back to a forum over and over again under different names is quite strange to be honest.
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Oh, ok, So where will the stoning take place ? I'll have to be assigned near the rear of the mob since I'm a sinner.

Will you have the honor of throwing the first pitch ? Wink

Seriously though, you've made your point, so let's move on.
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