A FEW THOUGHTS FOR SEPTEMBER
Bishop Williamson, La Reja, September 13, 2005
One month ago, I made public on the Internet the opinion that an agreement between Rome and the Society of St Pius X “seems impossible”, for “if the Society rejoined Rome, the resistance of Catholic Tradition would carry on without it”, and if the Pope came over the positions of the Society, he would face a merciless war on his left.
In other words, between Catholic Tradition and the positions of today’s Rome, there is “a great gulf fixed” which depends not upon the persons taking these positions but upon the positions they take. Between these two positions, any reconciliation is impossible. Take for example two mathematicians: if the one says that 2 and 2 are 4 while the other says that they are 5, the positions are irreconcilable. Our two mathematicians may personally come to an agreement, in the truth or in error, but 2 and 2 will never make at the same time 4 and/or 5.
Thus in the present difference between Rome and the Society, the persons of Rome may come over to the Society’s position, or the persons of the Society may – theoretically! – go over to the positions of Rome. But the conciliar positions of today’s Rome would still be as false as 2 and 2 are 5, while the Traditional positions would still be as true as 2 and 2 are 4. That means that even if the Society – God forbid! – were to abandon the Traditional positions, they would nonetheless go on being defended by the remaining friends of Tradition, just as if the Pope for his part were to abandon completely the conciliar positions, these would go on being defended (to the death) by unrepentant friends of the Council.
This is what I meant by saying that if the Society were to rejoin Rome, the resistance of Catholic Tradition would carry on without it. I in no way meant that Catholics defending Tradition, or the Society of St Pius X, are on the brink of a split due to the audience granted on August 29 by the Holy Father to the Society’s Superior General.
I think that a good number of those who read the August “Thoughts” understood what they meant, but some people hope for a split in the Society as much as others fear it, which is why both can be so quick to pick up on the least indication of a division.
However, there is for the moment no sign of any such thing. The four Society bishops are of one mind in holding that on the one hand the Second Vatican Council imperiled the dogma of the Faith, but on the other hand the authorities of the official Church are to be respected as such; that the rescue of the Catholic Church depends on their returning to the positions of Catholic Tradition, and so the Society must do all it can to help along such a return. For this purpose, first and foremost the Society must not itself abandon Tradition, on the contrary, it must by its example show how that Tradition, which was supposed to die off in the modern world, is alive and well and bears as good fruit as ever.
But I have just said “for the moment”, so does that mean I fear a split coming the day after tomorrow? No, it does not! When I say “for the moment”, I am merely repeating last month’s reminder that remaining faithful to the Truth is a grace of God that is owed to nobody, therefore “let him who thinks he stands, take care lest he fall”, as St. Paul says ( I Cor. X, 12)
And so, as long as the authorities of Mother Church are suffering from the leprosy of the heresy of neo-modernism, let us pray to God for us to keep the right balance by neither getting so close to them as to catch their leprosy, nor keeping so far away from them as to abandon our Mother. It is a delicate balance, but the four Society bishops, following Archbishop Lefebvre, mean to keep it, with the help of God and His Most Holy Mother.
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:21 am Post subject: Fellay and Williamson...
Next February, I understand, Bishop Fellay is to step aside from his present post as Head of the SSPX. I, for one, would like to see Bishop Williamson elected to that position. Sursum Corda!
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:13 pm Post subject:
JMJ
It's possible that Bishop Fellay or Father Schmidberger can be reelected, but the early rumblings I've heard were Father Selegny (Secretary General of SSPX), Bishop de Galarretta, and Father Laisney (former District Superior of the U.S.) were names floating about. Not a bad choice among them. _________________ Now starring as Redbeard the Pirate, suitor of Rapunzel
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:16 pm Post subject:
Actually Bishop Williamson does bit soiund like an extremist at all. I would still like to see them fight from within the church like the Jesuits of yesteryear did. _________________ Instaurare Omnia in Christo
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject:
TheDoctor wrote:
Actually Bishop Williamson does bit soiund like an extremist at all. I would still like to see them fight from within the church like the Jesuits of yesteryear did.
does bit soiund should be does not sound. A Case of Fat Fingers and bad eye sight _________________ Instaurare Omnia in Christo
I say, let them in SSPX stay strong and PRAY for the POPE and ALL of ROME, Our LAdy of LaSalette said,"Rome would lose the FAith" And the biggest part of the FAITH is the Holy Sacrifice Of the Mass(the Old LAtin Tridentine Mass) Same as all the SAINTED priests have said throught the centuries !!!!
Hold to the TRUE MASS,Hold to the OLD WaY, HOLD -remmeber the devils job is to divide and conquer!
And so, as long as the authorities of Mother Church are suffering from the leprosy of the heresy of neo-modernism, let us pray to God for us to keep the right balance by neither getting so close to them as to catch their leprosy, nor keeping so far away from them as to abandon our Mother. It is a delicate balance, but the four Society bishops, following Archbishop Lefebvre, mean to keep it, with the help of God and His Most Holy Mother.
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In the 20 years that Bishop Williamson has been writing his letters from the seminary and giving sermons, he has never retracted or clarified anything. In his past letters he as spoken of "wet dreams" (his words not mine), the Jews flying planes into the Twin Towers, denied the holocaust and claimed that women should not be educated.
Going on past history, Bishop Williamson does not care if anyone agrees or understands him. So there should be no mistake. If Bishop Williamson is retracting the clear statements of his previous letter about Bishop Fellay and Rome, it is because he has been ordered to.
This exact situation occured about nine months ago in France when Bishop Williamson was encouraging a groups of French priets who wished to rejoin Rome and attack the SSPX. Bishop Williamson was forced to recant his sermon at St. Nicholas as well. His Clinton-like statement can be read on the French SSPX Website.
Thank God Menzingen is beginning to control this maverick.
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject: Clarification
benini504 wrote:
In his past letters he....claimed that women should not be educated.
Bishop Williamson may be a maverick, but he occasionally does make a good point. I've never read his supposed claim that women should not be educated, only advice against going to university.
Given the sordid state of most universities today, you've got to wonder if he wasn't right....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46152
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Clarification
AskStPhilomena wrote:
benini504 wrote:
In his past letters he....claimed that women should not be educated.
Bishop Williamson may be a maverick, but he occasionally does make a good point. I've never read his supposed claim that women should not be educated, only advice against going to university.
If men didn't have to earn money, I'm sure he'd advise men against going to what he called "those rotten universities". _________________ Now starring as Redbeard the Pirate, suitor of Rapunzel
In his past letters he as spoken of "wet dreams" (his words not mine)
It's amazing to me how people will take words out of context in order to disparage someone. I am just beginning to become familiar with Bishop Williamson's words and the more I read of them the more I see that he is completely on target in his thinking. Of course I am reading his actual letters not just some quotes extracted from context by those who seek to calumniate him.
Here is the letter where "wet dreams" are referenced. It is excellent.
Some time ago we learned at the seminary of the plight of 12 local children fleeing from their warm homes to brave the coldest months of a cruel Minnesota winter in cardboard and plywood shacks in the Winona woods. What happened to them? Were they for real?
They were for real, alright. The good news is what did happen to them. The bad news is why they were in the woods in the first place. Both good and bad news concern the family, so for the month of the Feast of the Holy Family, let us tell you about these 12 fugitives, seven boys and five girls, ranging from 11 to 16 years of age.
When they were discovered to be living in the woods on their own, with no desire to contact any adults at all, discreet inquiries at the local police station revealed that not one of the twelve children had had a "Missing child" notice posted about it! Did the parents not care? If only! The truth is that they must have cared, cared to keep the world in ignorance about the children, because if ever the wrong people came to find out why the children were missing, eleven fathers and one uncle could have found themselves in jail for several years each!
Twelve more or less long sequences of rape and incest, heterosexual or homosexual, committed against children, in the dear, sleepy, conservative, "decent", mid-Western 25,000-inhabitant town of Winona. These 12 cases came to light. Then think of all the cases that will not have come to light. Then imagine what is going on in the big cities!
As for the mothers, of course the children told them in each case what was going on, but these mothers either did not believe them, or, did not want to believe them. Now to wives in such circumstances, compassionate adults might cut some slack, but children have no such compassion. With their rigorous sense of justice, children rank such mothers as traitors alongside their fathers. That is why these twelve fled from all adults and took to the woods. Shakespeare's "Timon of Athens" did the same -
"Timon will to the woods where he shall find
The inhuman beasts more kinder than mankind".
In the last century France had a horrible penal colony in French Guyana on the northern coast of South America. To it were shipped out all of France's worst criminals who had nobody there for company except one another. We are told that amongst themselves they had a high tolerance for all crimes except two: murder of father or mother, and the molesting of children. So strong was the family instinct even amongst hardened criminals. But not today amongst adults in the United States!
Is it any wonder then that so many children look like zombies? Are they not deadening their soul's nerve-ends against a nameless pain, because the adults are in denial? After all, what adults do not believe in liberty, democracy, money and pleasure? It stands to reason-
We worship liberty, as a goddess: "This is the land of the free. They are my children. They owe me everything. I can do as I like". We glorify democracy: "We, the people, are sovereign. There is nobody above me. Nobody - but nobody - tells me what or what not to do". We idolize money: "We give our children everything. What more do they want? They can't expect us to sacrifice our life-style, can they? We give them 'quality time'!" And of course the real religion of most people today is the three letter word (s_x): "I expect my wife to dress attractive around the house... Of course her girls imitate her... They develop physically, under my eyes... What do you expect a man to do?... And if there are no girls, why, boys are almost as cute at that age..."
As for the Catholic religion, it is powerless to restrain such horrors because it too has been made "cute" by the soft culture (e.g. "Sound of Music"), and it has been subordinated by Vatican II to American-style religious liberty: "I'm a good Catholic because now I go to Mass when I honestly feel like it, and not just when the rule-book says so. Besides, we all know Fr. Joe is a _______ himself!"
Dear friends, eleven out of these twelve children came from "Catholic" homes. It is clear that as the Catholic Church became the Newchurch, so the horror of the Cross went out of the front door, and the horror of these sins returned through the back door. If men will not be nailed with Christ to the Cross, they will be nailed to sin by the Devil.
But people say, "Our American Way of Life is wonderful! Thanks to separation of Church and State, and our Supreme Court, God is banned from our schools, so now children are free to learn how to do it in biology classes in kindergarten! Isn't that wonderful? Besides, thanks to the First Amendment, we have no censorship! Pornography? It's a healthy outlet! The Internet? Women's underwear catalogues? What's your problem? We put it all in front of our children so that they learn to choose. Bishop, write about things nice! Write spiritual things to make us feel tingly all over!"
What is it going to take to wake these people out of their Universal Wet-Dream? Out of their Wet-Dream "Catholicism"? Answer, severe suffering (and even then...). Fortunately, the God who rained down fire and brimstone upon Sodom and Gomorrah has not changed. He has been divinely patient with this 20th century, but He will not be mocked. At this beginning of 1998 we stand before great suffering. It will be a gift of God when it comes.
Meanwhile the story of the 12 children did have a happy ending. Attendance at the Old Mass when still available at some distance from Winona had made known an older couple around 60 years of age with a large farm and farmhouse left somewhat empty a few years ago when a car accident killed both their own teenage children. They were told of the 12 children. Might they take them in?
A dozen kids! Strangers. Out of the woods, possibly wild. No family or state support. Themselves at ages plus or minus 60! Yes, they would take them in. Now that is real religion! (James, I, 27)
And the children have been happy ever since. Of course it took a little time for the older couple to win their trust, which is a process still going on. Incest, etc., has scarred the children for life, but the scars are, as best they can be, healing. The one child from a Protestant home ran away because he could not take to life in the country. The littlest girl underwent two major operations because she had caught frostbite in the calf of a leg from the four months in the icy woods, where she had run away from two years of being attacked by her father. The frostbite turned gangrenous. Muscles were cut out of her back to put in the calf. Two months later the entire leg had to be amputated. Two weeks later, as she was hospitalized for the third time, she said to what might be called her real mother, who had had time to teach her to pray: "I shan't be coming home again. God has told me I won't be suffering any more". She died a few days later, this last August, age 12.
But the ten remaining children are thriving, by time-honoured, old-fashioned methods: affection, discipline, quantity time and attention, with a curse upon anything "politically correct". The boys are put to work on the farm while the girls - dare I tell you? - are put to work in the... in the... in the... kitchen! Even more horrible to relate... it works like a charm! For the littlest girl, there is an outstanding hospital bill of several thousand dollars, but what is money? Her little soul is surely now safe in heaven, and when she departed this life, the father who cared for her said it was just like losing his own children over again.
Dear readers, human nature, family structure and children's needs do not change, only our accursed modern world changes for the worse all the time. Don Bosco promised a special blessing from God upon those who would look after abandoned children. Only, it takes good sense as well as good-will.
Two more candles in the darkness. Firstly, the Doctrinal Session here at the Seminary after Christmas drew 63 men, our largest number ever, and everyone we know of was very happy with it. This must be because the concentrated course of doctrine was addressed directly to the needs of men and family fathers in today's dreadful situation. We have yet to hear from the wives, but we are sure they are, for the family's sake, happy to have let their men go for the week. Unfortunately, this summer few retreats or doctrinal sessions can be made available at Winona. Mark down the one women's five-day Ignatian retreat, from Monday June 29, 5 pm, to Saturday July 4, 4 pm, and the one men's five-day Ignatian retreat from Monday July 6, 5 pm, to Saturday July 11, 4 pm. Inscriptions welcome.
Secondly, a flyer from the Dominican girls' school in Idaho presents a compact disc of the girls' singing. Now nobody in their right mind pretends that schoolgirls (any more than schoolboys) are angels, but if the singing is angelic, imagine the land-marks of beauty and harmony being left in their souls for the rest of their lives! The Devil is not winning every battle!
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:50 am Post subject:
benini504 wrote:
In his past letters he as spoken of "wet dreams" (his words not mine)
And Archbishop Lefebvre has spoken of "bastard Catholicism" - a very appropriate analysis of both the Second Vatican Council and the new Mass: a child of parents that are not united (Catholicism and liberalism). What's your point? _________________ Now starring as Redbeard the Pirate, suitor of Rapunzel
This is an old thread. I simply want to be associated with those who support Bps. Fellay and Williamson. As long as those two, and others just like them, are manning the towers of the traditional Catholic movement, I feel safe. God bless Bishop Fellary and God bless Bishop Williamson. The situation becomes "scary" when clerics of this calibre might be replaced by those less watchful, wise and prescient. We have only to look at Campos.
Good point Jake. Perhaps we should be thinking about confirmation of this.
My (SSPX) priest confirmed from the pulpit today that both letters were fakes, and that per Bp. Williamson, if it's not on dici.org or another official SSPX webpage, it's likely made up.
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BTW, not all of Jersey is dirty. Ever been up near the Deleware water gap?
Sure, but not in many years, but it's not all that dirty in my neck of the woods, either.
My (SSPX) priest confirmed from the pulpit today that both letters were fakes, and that per Bp. Williamson, if it's not on dici.org or another official SSPX webpage, it's likely made up.
I don't know if you realize it Jake, but if what you're saying can be confirmed you just broke some pretty major News.
Can you get me a solid line of confirmation? Verifiable statement, contact phone ... whatever. I'll post it in the "New" section.
Seriously, this needs to get out there if it's true.
My (SSPX) priest confirmed from the pulpit today that both letters were fakes, and that per Bp. Williamson, if it's not on dici.org or another official SSPX webpage, it's likely made up.
I don't know if you realize it Jake, but if what you're saying can be confirmed you just broke some pretty major News.
Can you get me a solid line of confirmation? Verifiable statement, contact phone ... whatever. I'll post it in the "New" section.
Seriously, this needs to get out there if it's true.
I thought the Trad List was moderated by the SSPX. Does this mean the site was hacked?
Servitum is absolutely correct. If this is true, it is "big news". However, we do not need to know who Jake heard it from. Rather we need a written answer from Bishop Fellay, himself.
If this this were actualy a forgery, we would have to believe that "tradlist" had a hand in it or at least has clue on the "perpetrator" since that is the list which spread the message. One can contact tradlist at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TradList/
Also, one has to wonder how this "fake" letter from Bishop Williamson was forged since it contains his illogical style. It is very obviously either written by Bishop Williamson or by someone who can forge not only his style but his manner of expression.
For all these reasons, I think that it is not only necessery to know who Jake heard this rumor from, but that this rumor must be confirmed officially from Bishop Fellay Himself.
There is something rotten in the state of Denmark!!!!
I am very skeptical about the hearsay comments denying the veracity of the published Bishop Williamson letter. Until I read a retraction by the good Bishop or from the SSPX I will rely on it having been published via the Tradlist.
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:07 am Post subject:
JMJ
benini504 wrote:
Also, one has to wonder how this "fake" letter from Bishop Williamson was forged since it contains his illogical style.
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For all these reasons, I think that it is not only necessery to know who Jake heard this rumor from, but that this rumor must be confirmed officially from Bishop Fellay Himself.
Um... wouldn't Bishop Williamson be the one to answer whether or not the letter came from him? Why exactly would Bishop Fellay know whether it's legit? Why is the factuality of the letter a matter for authority? If it is, shouldn't we wait for the Pope's confirmation instead? You're the one being illogical, Benini. _________________ Now starring as Redbeard the Pirate, suitor of Rapunzel
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:43 am Post subject: An Important Quote...
An important Quote from J. Ratzinger's 1982 book, 'Principles of Catholic Theology, Ignatius Press, 1987, pp. 389-90.
"We must be on our guard against minimizing these (Traditionalist) Movements. Without a doubt, they represent a sectarian zealotry that is the antithesis of Catholicity. We cannot resist them too firmly."
Question: Does POPE Benedict XVI STILL have this ANTI-TRADITIONALIST MINDSET?... KYRIE ELEISON...
... But we must likewise ask ourselves, in all earnestness, why such contractions and distortions of faith and piety have such an effect and are able to attract those who, by the basic conviction of their faith as well as by personal inclination, are in no way attracted to sectarianism. What drives them into a milieu in which they do not belong? Why have they lost the feeling of being at home in the larger Church? Are all their reproaches unfounded? Is it not, for example, really strange that we have never heard bishops react as strongly against distortions in the heart of the liturgy as they react today against the use of a Missal of the Church that, after all, has been in existence since the time of Pius V?
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If this is true, it is "big news". However, we do not need to know who Jake heard it from. Rather we need a written answer from Bishop Fellay, himself. 
