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Watykan: Nie zapadły decyzje w sprawie lefebrystów

PAP, pi 13-02-2006, ostatnia aktualizacja 13-02-2006 13:25

W czasie poniedziałkowego pierwszego spotkania Benedykta XVI z szefami wszystkich watykańskich kongregacji i innych najważniejszych urzędów nie zapadły żadne decyzje w sprawie lefebrystów, przeciwnych reformom Soboru Watykańskiego II

Wcześniej włoska prasa spekulowała, że papież może wkrótce zdjąć ekskomunikę, nałożoną w 1988 roku na Bractwo świętego Piusa X.

Z nieoficjalnych informacji, napływających z Watykanu, wynika, że na naradzie Kurii Rzymskiej z udziałem trzydziestu hierarchów mówiono o sprawie lefebrystów, ale dyskusję na ten temat postanowiono przełożyć na 20 marca.

Założone przez francuskiego arcybiskupa Marcela Lefebvre'a w 1970 roku bractwo skupiło księży, przeciwnych zmianom uchwalonym przez Sobór Watykański II. W 1976 roku papież Paweł VI zabronił założycielowi lefebrystów udzielania święceń kapłańskich. Gdy w 1988 roku wbrew woli Jana Pawła II arcybiskup Lefebvre wyświęcił czterech biskupów, ściągnął na bractwo ekskomunikę.

Lefebryści nie akceptują przede wszystkim reformy liturgii wprowadzonej przez Sobór Watykański, sprzeciwiają się także ekumenizmowi. Ich zdaniem Sobór zniszczył tradycję Kościoła.

Szanse na powrót Bractwa do Kościoła pojawiły się w sierpniu zeszłego roku, gdy Benedykt XVI spotkał się z przełożonym lefebrystów Bernardem Fellayem. Ich rozmowę uznano wówczas za początek dialogu i pojednania. Jak się podkreśla, szanse na to są dość duże, ponieważ sam papież jest zwolennikiem dawnej liturgii.

Inny ważny temat poniedziałkowej narady Benedykta XVI z prefektami kongregacji i przewodniczącymi papieskich rad to reforma Kurii Rzymskiej, zapowiadana od miesięcy. Na razie nie wiadomo, czy w tej sprawie zapadły jakieś konkretne decyzje.

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Very quick translation, by yours truly :
Note that the opinions are of the journalist, not myself!

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Vatican : No decision concerning the Lefevbrists

PAP, pi 13-02-2006, last update 13-02-2006 1:25 pm

During the first meeting Monday morning of Benedict XVI with the heads of the Vatican Congregations and other important departments, no decision was made concerning the Lefebvrists who are against the reforms of the Second Vatican Council.

An Italian journal had earlier speculated that the Pope could soon remove the excommunication given to the Society of Saint Pius X in 1988.

From unofficial information coming from the Vatican, it seems that their was a consultation concerning the Lefebvrists by some 30 members of the Roman Curia, but that the discussion on this topic was chosen to be postponed to the 20th of March.

Founded by the French Archbishop Marcl Lefebvre in 1970, the Society is a group of priests who are against the changes made by the Second Vatican Council. In 1976 Pope Paul VI forbid the founder of the Lefebvrists to perform priestly ordinations. In 1988 Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops against the will of John Paul II, giving an excommunication on the Society.

The Lefebvrists do not accept any of the reforms coming from the Vatican Council, and are also against ecumenism. In their opinion the Council destroyed the tradition of the Church.

The opportunity for the return of the Society to the Church appeared in August of last year, when Benedict XVI met with the Superior of the Lefebvrists, Bernard Fellay. Their conversation was recognized as being a beginning of dialog and unity. As has been emphasised, the opportunity for this is fairly good, because the Pope himself is a follower of the old liturgy.

Another important topic occupies the Monday meeting of Benedict XVI with the prefects of the congregations and the papal chairmen: advice concerning the reform of the Roman Curia, announced a month ago. For the moment nothing is certain as to whether any concrete decision has been made concerning this.

[And now...]

[murph]

Thank-you for posting this Fr. Jenkins.

[xcordeeclesiae]

so much for an agreement, universal indult, etc... Vatican II is still in charge

[john654]

Yah, like did anybody really expect something different?
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Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

[murph]

[tradca57]

I still don't know what a "Lefebverist" is.

[tradca57]

I still don't know what a "Lefebverist" is.

[c_m_agnes]

It is obvious that in aone short day it is impossible to do so many things! First the Pope has to "re-organize" the Curia. And if he'snot able to do this - then he cannot also todo anything else. There surely must be some obsticles inside those walls...

[IRISH CATHOLIC]

What a complete waste of time. This meeting was well announced in advance so it was not something suddenly sprung on those present. All the Cardinals etc could have had the necessary documents and decisions made ready for signing. It seems that the only decision made at this meeting was one to arrange for another one in March before they all retired for a good slap up lunch.
This same thing happened just before the consecrations in 1988. The Vatican kept stringing the Archbishop along time after time until in the end he lost all faith in them.
So in March we can expect a further decision to postpone things until another meeting later in the year ... and so on, and so on...

[cloiclark]

All I know is that I'm praying for Bishop Williamson to be elected the next Superior of the Order. Fellay has reigned far too long. And the only kind of reconciliation I'll consider proper is when the Novus Ordo establishment humbly approach all the priests who have kept the true Faith, and beg, "We have strayed. Guide us back."
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Pray always for the Holy Souls in Purgatory!

[spikenard]

At least maybe one good thing....March 20th, the date of the next meeting, is the celebration day of the Feast of St. Joseph, patron saint of the Universal Church! May he intercede for the faithful on that day!

[tradca57]

I like your idea cloiclark...good hopes!!!

[Gillibrand1]

[Guardian Angel]

Cloiclark & Tradca57,

I recommend you stop reading Traditio. READ yourself in context what Bishop Fellay says and quit spreading "Fr" Moderator's lies that Bishop Fellay is weak when it comes to Rome. Bishop Williamson himself clearly denies there is a disagreement between any of the SSPX bishops, so quit pretending to be on the side of Bishop Williamson. You and your like are harming the SSPX, and calumniating a good Bishop. I hope you don't attend Mass or receive the Sacraments from the SSPX ... what hypocrisyit would be to receive spiritual norishment from them while at the same time stabbing them in the back. What ingratitude and disloyalty, too!

Allow me to quote from Bishop Fellay on Feb 2, 2006:
"The second thought on which I would like to speak also concerns the temple. When we think of the temple, we think of the Church, and today I would like to speak briefly of the situation in which we are. We do not do anything special, nothing new, except for a certain agitation that shows that the devil is raging about, as is his custom, though perhaps this time a little bit more than usual. Priests who know the discernment of spirits know well that every thought which introduces doubt, anxiety, or lack of confidence, does not come from God. It is precisely another spirit, the spirit of the devil, which inflames this frenetic agitation that circulates in certain places today, trying to trouble and put mistrust amongst the faithful, and amongst priests, trying to make others believe that the Superior General is supposedly making secret negotiations to sign or obtain, supposedly before Easter, an Apostolic Administration. There is nothing true to this, this is nothing but empty air. "

[Plumtree]

Some good news after all?

http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/

[AskStPhilomena]

The modernists are clearly hell-bent on dragging their heels until they have emptied the Church of Catholics and become a syncretist sect "in the spirit of Assisi".

[Consolatrix]

I am so glad my priests will have nothing to do with this agreement nonsense.

[servitium]

[servitium]

Here we have a society priest who is kind enough to put himself out on an internet venue, yet some don't know how to act.

Contributing here goes beyond throwing stones, negativity and unwise comments. That goes for half the posters on this thread, not only the banned poster.

[apologia]

[Damascus]

[apologia]

[jersey girl]

[murph]

[Guest]

(It's my first posting on this Forum - which I enjoy reading.)

With all respect to the intentions with posting the initial message, I believe it should be noted, that the Source of the information ('gazeta.pl') is the most liberal newspaper on the Polish market. It doesn't mean that the information they provide don't have a trace of the truth, but objectivity is not their strenght.
LM

[tradca57]

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject:

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tradca57 wrote:
I still don't know what a "Lefebverist" is.


Here is a clue

It is someone who practices Catholicism in such a way that Pope Pius XII would have no quarrel with you.

Thank you so much!! Your charity, understanding and good will are much appreciated. My question was misunderstood by some, but great minds think a like. GOD LOVE YOU!

[cloiclark]

[tradca57]

I recommend you stop reading Traditio. READ yourself in context what Bishop Fellay says and quit spreading "Fr" Moderator's lies that Bishop Fellay is weak when it comes to Rome. Bishop Williamson himself clearly denies there is a disagreement between any of the SSPX bishops, so quit pretending to be on the side of Bishop Williamson. You and your like are harming the SSPX, and calumniating a good Bishop. I hope you don't attend Mass or receive the Sacraments from the SSPX ... what hypocrisyit would be to receive spiritual norishment from them while at the same time stabbing them in the back. What ingratitude and disloyalty, too!

I don't know where in God's great universe you got the idea that I was 'stabbing' anyone in the back!!! First, I don't read "Traditio". You strike me as an over-reactive, nervous disorder, emotional basket case!! Notice, I didn't say you are in fact these but that's how you come across. Believe you me, I will pray in earnest for you and that Trads will be delivered from their own forms of nervous disorders.
God Richly Bless you "Guardian Angel"

[Guardian Angel]

Dear Tradca57,

You are right - I did over react too emotionally to your post and I do apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion about you. Please accept my apology.

Thanks for the prayers,
GA.

[tradca57]

For those of you who have perused the last couple of postings of an unpleasant exchange of comments from Tradca57 and Guardian Angel, let me say this and put this "to bed".

I recently received an email from Guardian Angel. I won't go into detail but this individual has a lot of class and integrity. Our exchange has been clarified- and let this stand- that in no way is there any animosity between us. I

[tradca57]